Furthermore, we had earthly fathers to discipline us, and we respected them; shall we not much rather be subject to the Father of spirits, and live? No one enjoys the process of discipline, but many men and women have praised their parents who stood firm and meted out the correction. The discipline of earthly parents is not perfect. He treasures up His bright designs It is indeed. (Hebrews 12:1-13 God's Purpose in Chastising), "It is very easy to quench the Spirit; we do it by despising the chastening of the Lord, by fainting when we are rebuked by Him. Joy had been covered with a dark cloud of pain. THOUGHT - How about you dear reader? It is because we are sons that he sets himself to scourge us. But the purpose of the master was that it might become a melodious instrument to the praise of God. Although God gives us time to deal with sin, some sins, by their nature, bear consequences—even if we repent immediately. “The grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation.”. We need to respond to discipline realizing He said He’d send it, submitting to it, and remembering it is for our good and His glory. Spurgeon - What comfort there is here! The heart that really and wisely loves will bear the pain of causing pain, will incur the risk of being misjudged, will not flinch from misrepresentation and reproach; from all of which a less affection would warily shrink. Our reactions cannot be right if our view of what is happening is not right. The soul that, be it amid effort and failure, begins and gives itself to consider Jesus in separate acts of faith will be led on, and in due time receive this deeper blessing--a heart in which by the Holy Spirit looking to Jesus is its spontaneous and meet natural exercise. All rights reserved). At one point he was leading the hikers on a wide detour to ensure their safety. Hebrews 11:1(NASB) Verse Thoughts. The word chastening means something a little different from what we think today. So I see in this passage the precious teaching that God reigns over the hazards of our circumstances and over the health of our bodies and over the hostility of our adversaries and He designs all of life ultimately as a loving father's discipline. The grace of God, one, has appeared bringing salvation to all men. No more nonsense! And some of His special favorites have gone through longer and deeper troughs than anyone else." — Vernon C. Grounds (Our Daily Bread, Copyright RBC Ministries, Grand Rapids, MI. Psalm 50:17 "For you hate discipline (Lxx = paideia), and you cast My words behind you. — M. R. De Haan (Our Daily Bread, Copyright RBC Ministries, Grand Rapids, MI. Nor would we omit the employment of the "Rod" as a disciplinary agent in the hands of our Divine Shepherd. Thus taking hold of His strength, with that displeased and chastening Father you are in a moment at peace. He may have led you to a Zarephath, (a place of furnaces,) but it is to show you there, "one like unto the Son of God!" And since you have been transformed you desire to do the right thing. I burst into tears, and my very soul boiled over as I cried, "If the Lord were to grind me to powder, I would accept it at his hands, so that I might but have his love. But on one occasion he lingered yet two days in the place where he was. Do not be fainthearted. But what  one learns in the darkness one possesses for ever. Fortunately, history would show that God's vows are unbreakable. For believers, it is the Word of their Father. You may have to tell, perhaps, of a varied experience of trials. "As many as I love I rebuke and chasten." So God has a purpose in every pain he permits us to feel. That same trial which, on the one hand, comes from man, viewed in another way comes from God, and is a chastening. As much as we see pain used in discipline in human relationships, you would think that we would readily accept this principle in the context of our spiritual lives as well. Which leaves one last question: what is the design of God in this sovereign governing of our adversaries and circumstances? If we decide to leave the pathway of obedience, He may be forced to use painful means to drag us back to spiritual safety (Heb. If you are a parent, think how you discipline your children. All we can know of another person is what we see on the outside; but GOD Almighty looks on the heart. Sometimes it may not be right. Aged Jacob exclaimed at first, "All these things are against me;" but at last he had a calmer and a more just verdict, "His spirit revived!". God often sends me joy through pain, And then in v2 the writer tells us to look to Jesus who, like these Old Testament saints, endured a horrible death and was shamed, but set his eyes on the joy set before him. The point of Hebrews 13:5–6 is that the Lord will provide all that we need for a life founded on faith. Are you meditating on the Word? Liddell-Scott speaking of secular uses…-of children, to receive as inheritance…to take up and continue the battle, Id....to take upon oneself, engage to do a thing, Moulton-Milligan speaking of secular uses…meaning “approve,” “commend,” in Aristeas. John Piper. Peter Marshall "It is a fact of Christian experience that life is a series of troughs and peaks. If Christians would only understand that God's word says, that it is impossible for them to live the true Christian life unless they keep their eye daily, unceasingly fixed on Jesus. THOUGHT - That's a good principle for all of the Christian life. I know I shall see through a rainbow of tears And the doting grandfather was quite impressed by the quite dignity of the child and her evident sorrow over what she had done. In other words this verb speaks of far more than an indifferent or apathetic reception, especially here in Hebrews 12:6. Let Him relate you rightly to God. There are a lot of things you haven't learned yet. Victor, The Strategy of Satan: How to Detect and Defeat Him, Our Daily Bread, Copyright RBC Ministries, Grand Rapids, MI. The good news of salvation and life eternal is by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone. - Alistair Begg, "Discipline begets abundance. there was no one who refuted (Lxx = elegcho) Job" (Job 32:12). Our Guide, the Lord Jesus, knows that if we are to avoid dangers in our pilgrimage, He must sometimes lead us on detours that seem unnecessary. There is a restful side to the Christian life and a wrestling side to the Christian life. They do what Mom and Dad ask, without a lot of questions. Heb 12:6: “Those whom the Lord loves He disciplines, and He scourges every son whom He receives.” It’s discipline with scourging; that’s a kind of form of punishment. Many parents believe this lie. 11:2; Ezra 7:26; Job 20:3; 37:13; Ps. Discipline is an index to doctrine.—Tertullian, When God does the directing, our life is useful and full of promise, whatever it is doing; and discipline has its perfecting work.—H. Forgotten is in the perfect tense which means that you forgot somewhere along the journey and that forgetfulness is still present. 2). 1989. Many of those people were suffering much more than I, and their attitude made me feel ashamed of myself. So WHEN TESTINGS COME to us, we should realize that God is treating us as sons. He 1:1-2:4, Christ 1:12; Zeph. He brings about correction so that our behavior parallels our identity. To come to believe something to be true and to respond accordingly. (How to Handle Adversity). Should we see these things as part of God's overarching discipline of his children for their good? Job 6:24 Teach me, and I will be quiet; show me where I have been wrong. If you've rebelled and turned away His suffering had meaning. It is a massive statement about the gracious sovereignty of God over the evil that befalls his people. This whole passage is built on another answer to the question: Where does this suffering come from? Paideia is a broad term, signifying whatever parents and teachers do to train, correct, cultivate, and educate children in order to help them develop and mature as they ought. Will we trust him? We should ask, Why is this happening to me? But it will not work in this passage. The love of God is higher and wiser than the partialities of parents. God knows we’re human and don’t relish His chastening hand. I would conclude that you are reading in the NIV version of the Bible, and thus are referring to Hebrews 12:6: NIV Hebrews 12:6 because the Lord disciplines those he loves, and he punishes everyone he accepts as a son." God can not punish you for your sins, that has already been placed on Jesus Christ. A blue-ribbon award is the result of a carefully controlled procedure from start to finish. They refer to adult sons and not little children. Ekluo can also convey the sense of losing one's motivation to accomplish a valid goal and so to become discouraged and give up as in Galatians 6 where Paul encourages the believers writing "let us not lose heart in doing good, for in due time we shall reap if we do not grow weary (ekluo). Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin: the thought of His blood in Gethsemane and on Calvary, and the insignificance of our own suffering, will urge us to endure and resist. That is why we often come across such testimonies, like this by Leslie Weatherhead: "Like all men I love and prefer the sunny uplands of experience, where health, happiness, and success abound, but I have learned far more about God and life and myself in the darkness of fear and failure than I have ever learned in the sunshine. In Heb 12:9, the word “discipline” appears again. Those whom the Lord loves - The "whom" refers in this context to believers, who God loves (agapao in the ) with the love of a Father for His children. It costs us much less to fling our superfluities on those we love than to cause them pain. The saved person has the indwelling Holy Spirit [emphasize "Holy"!] Even now, He is working on us. It enters the inner sanctuary behind the curtain,” Explanation and Commentary of Hebrews 6:19 “This hope” is the promise of God in Christ Jesus, a high priest forever in the order of Melchizedek (Ps 110:4), of our inheritance in the Lord. (Gaebelein, F, Editor: Expositor's Bible Commentary 6-Volume New Testament. The suffering comes from the hostility of sinners. What they will as hurtful, God wills as helpful. Well, to be very frank with you, if you want to know where the GREAT VICTORIES are being won today, go to the hospitals or visit some dear shut-in saints who have been in bed for months, and listen to them talk. Reprinted by permission. He disciplines us to conform us to the likeness of His Son. "The path of sorrow, and that path alone, Leads to the land where sorrow is unknown.". Every son - No exceptions! Has He been breaking your cisterns, withering your gourds, poisoning your sweetest fountains of earthly bliss? However, when I was going through a serious illness several years ago, I received several thousand letters from people all over this country and throughout the world. "All things work together for good to those who love God" (Romans 8:28-note). His words touched her tender heart. We entered a shop, and the sweet little maid When a believer is disciplined, it is a reflection of God's love. And we are reminded that all fathers discipline their sons; and if you’re not disciplined, you’re not a legitimate son. Reprinted by permission. We are to take it seriously: “My son, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord” (Heb. Children know when Mom or Dad repeats, “Don’t touch the pretty vase,” there are consequences when they break it. If you think that because you’re under grace you’re free to do whatever you want, you have no idea how far off you are. Special discipline is evidence of special love (Heb. 12:24; 2 Chr. It is normal for Christians to have experiences of stress and suffering that threaten their faith and press too hard, or last too long and feel almost intolerable. All He asks is that you trust Him, Whenever we are under the scourging hand of God, how we ought to be cheered with the thought that this is a part of the heritage of the children. Discipline develops respect. Praise God! I believe I am in the will of God. Can you look up into his face and cry, "Abba, Father"? NIV  because the Lord disciplines those he loves, and he punishes everyone he accepts as a son. He is looking for a: BROKENNESS and OBEDIENCE that will eventually yield the FRUIT OF THE SPIRIT. As C. S. Lewis notes,God whispers to us in our pleasures, speaks in our conscience, but shouts in our pains: it is His megaphone to arouse a deaf world. The last wrong response is rationalizing the whole thing away: “Well, these things happen to a lot of people. To sin and never smart is the mark of those who will be damned; their smart, like their doom, being in reserve and stored up for sorer judgment, I remember once being very, very ill, and a man who had no godliness but who was full of wicked wit accosted me thus: "You see, 'whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth.' And the corner of the house in which the child had stood became the most beautiful place in that room. a. Later he came to them and stilled the storm; but the entire experience revealed to the men how weak their faith really was. as it is for you to take it by your own power." It serves as the guarantee of our Father-child relationship with God. More blessed and holy, more, Savior, like Thee. (because of course He wasn't). Discipline means so much more than just punishment (which is what my misconception was prior to this study) and includes all of the aspects that go into training up a child (education, encouragement, admonishment, etc). 12:9). You do not know how to rest, and you do not know how to wait on Me." Subjection in affliction is only possible when we can see in it the hand of the Father of spirits (Heb. When, why, and how does the Lord God discipline us when we sin? The hostility of sinners is real and it is wrong and responsible and guilty. Is it not I, the LORD?". His love is always in quest of lovely things. Sanctification is not my idea of what I want God to do for me; sanctification is God’s idea of what He wants to do for me, and He has to get me into the attitude of mind and spirit where at any cost I will let Him sanctify me wholly. It seemed that all of the calamities in his life had perfectly natural explanations: the Sabeans took the oxen and donkeys; fire from heaven (perhaps lightning) burned the sheep; the Chaldeans took the camels; and a great wind (a tornado?) Forgetfulness causes a lot of unnecessary problems and heartaches. Or again, chastisements are sent to strengthen our faith, to raise us to higher levels of Christian experience, and to bring us into a condition of usefulness. GOD MOVES IN A MYSTERIOUS WAY Hebrews chapter 6 continues from the discussion in Chapter 5 regarding those addressed in Hebrews 5:11-14. Who, because they are living on milk and not solid food are unable to grow in their walk. One such storm is recorded in Matthew 14:22-33. He hides a smiling face. When God begins His work in us, The thought that He suffered like you, that you are suffering like Him, will give courage and patience. More purity give me, more strength to o'ercome, NOR FAINT WHEN YOU ARE REPROVED BY HIM: mede ekluou (2SPPM) hup autou elegchomenos (PPPMSN): Spurgeon - Note the two evils of which we are in danger: either of making light of God’s discipline, or else of giving up under it—either of thinking too little or too much of them. In Hebrews 12:6, we're assured that "whom the Lord loves He chastens." They shall have some blows as hard as He can well lay them on—that is to say, as hard as such a loving heart as His will permit Him to give. That short-cut would have meant a long and deadly plunge deep into the glacier. If so, remember, God still cares for you. "It is for discipline that you endure; God deals with you as with sons.". They must cut them back sharp to get sweet clusters.The Lord does thus with His beloved. How should we react to them? Reprinted by permission. Yet even with those possibilities always looming over his head, a good father continues the routine of discipline, for the value of discipline is worth the risk of being wrong occasionally. 53:5; Heb. That can never be. Indeed, very often they are one and the same. Are You training me? ", "Wherefore lift up the hands that hang down, and the feeble knees." The fires of affliction and trial may be painful for a time, but afterward they will result in great blessing and reward (Hebrews 12:11). There is a reticence in the church to talk about discipline. — Richard De Haan (Our Daily Bread, Copyright RBC Ministries, Grand Rapids, MI. God is our Father. Chasten is from the Latin , “pure,” “chaste ;” and to chasten is, properly, to purify! As someone has said believers need to remember that nothing touches them apart from the permissive will of the Father in heaven. Less would not have done. His justice must be avenged, His law must be honored, and His commands must have their dignity maintained. That He has given the world over to Satan and the free will of man. (F. B. Meyer. The writer of Hebrews put it this way: But He disciplines us for our good, that we may share His holiness… it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness.—Hebrews 12:10-11, God’s goal in discipline is not simply to make us behave. And that is what this passage teaches. Receives (3858) (paradechomai from para = from, beside, near + dechomai = accept deliberately and readily, receive kindly and so to take to oneself what is presented or brought by another) means literally to receive or accept near or beside and then to accept deliberately, willingly, favorably and readily. They can either bitterly blame God for their misery or receive His forgiveness and rely fully on His grace to see them through. As James Moffatt said, “To endure rightly, one must endure intelligently.”. Like Jonah, you never would have awoke but for the storm. Hebrews, chapter 12, verses 5 through 11. He found a convenient ship to take him to Tarshish, but God interrupted Jonah’s escape by sending a storm. As much as He must hate pain, He hates sin that much worse. Footnotes. In order to teach us to hate sin, God chastens us. All discipline for the moment seems not to be joyful, but sorrowful; yet to those who have been trained by it, afterwards it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness." God will not spare his children when they need to be chastened; they shall have some blow as hard as he can well lay them on, that is to say, as hard as such a loving heart as his will permit him to give. Heb 12:10 says, “We are disciplined for a short time, but disciplined for our good, so that we may share His holiness,” disciplined for the purpose of holiness. He loves us enough to perfect His holiness in us. —Zoller Am I fully prepared to allow God to grip me by His power and do a work in me that is truly worthy of Himself? See discussion of the Need for the Holy Spirit to obey NT commands, Hebrews - Wuest's word studies from the Greek New Testament, New Testament Words in Today's Language. But all sufferings imposed by God upon His children, whether for discipline, trial of faith, or witness for the truth, have this one feature in common, that they are all proofs of divine love, not signs of anger. This chastening is not always because we have sinned. There is always a later on which follows. Macaulay says: Discipline is a divine principle. Just think what would happen if we acted like this in any other area of our lives! The objects of divine punishment, are His enemies. We need to look beyond the rod to the all-wise hand that wields it. But he has told you what you need to know: it is the love of an all-wise Father to a child. We used to have a football player when I was in college. The Greek word is paideuo, and it means "child training or discipline…"That we might be partakers of his HOLINESS." The Lord Himself disciplines His children! For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. The writer points to the importance of discipline and proceeds to show that for Christians suffering is rightly understood only when seen as God's fatherly discipline, correcting and directing us. He blinded Paul. Zondervan Publishing. That is what the HOLY GHOST said through the pen of Paul. Comment: A T Robertson says paradechomai is an "old verb, to receive, to welcome. Not at all. May we keep ourselves more and more in the love of God. So much within the New Testament epistles is mistakenly thought to be addressed to the unbeliever, when it is written to Christians. God deals with us as adult sons because we have been adopted and given an adult standing in His family. There are those who spoil their children. If I resisted God's will and did not experience His loving chastening, I would be afraid that I was not saved! By REMAINING SUBMISSIVE to the chastening of God, WE PERMIT HIS DISCIPLINE TO MOLD US into His image. When the "west wind" blows hard upon you with its punishing intent, God is love. The trials, disappointments, hardships and even physical attacks which sometimes constitute God's discipline may be painful to bear. Each stroke He administers is weighed by Him in fairness and firmness to suit our needs exactly (cf 1Co 10:13-note) and to bring us to our senses, not lay us senseless in the dust. Chastening is not the work of an angry judge as he punishes a criminal. Nevertheless, we must not resist the discipline of our heavenly Father. It's the difference between the surgeon who plans the incision for our good, and the emergency room doctor who sews us up after a freak accident. Discipline (3809) (paideia from país = child) means to provide instruction, with the intent of forming proper habits of behavior, of providing guidance for responsible living, of rearing and guiding a child toward maturity. Despite the mental pictures this term must have conjured up, the author of Hebrews felt at liberty to use it when referring to the discipline of God. The carelessness, the unwatchfulness, the prayerlessness which have been working within us pass slowly before our minds. Instead of trying to escape the difficulties of life, we should rather be "trained" by them so that we might grow (He 12:11). All rights reserved). When you find yourself in difficult circumstances, seek to discern through the Word and prayer whether your suffering is from nature, from God, or from Satan. . , Amplified: And have you [completely] forgotten the divine word of appeal and encouragement in which you are reasoned with and addressed as sons? The negative imperative in this verse may bear the nuance of “stop receiving,” with the implication that Timothy had been allowing some. And He will make it plain. In doing so he is able to take away all these vices and create virtues within us. Yet it is not quite so bad when it can be seen as meaningful. Perhaps we never see our true character until the light dies off the landscape, and the clouds overcast the sky, and the wind rises moaningly about the house of our life. What does Hebrews 12:6 mean? God is not a passive observer in our lives while sinners and Satan beat us up. It is trial and vexation, care and anxiety, persecution or reproach that often causes this. Weymouth: and you have quite forgotten the encouraging words which are addressed to you as sons, and which say, "My son, do not think lightly of the lord's discipline, and do not faint when he corrects you; Wuest: And you have completely forgotten the exhortation which is of such a nature as to speak to you as to sons, Son of mine, stop making light of the Lord's discipline, correction, and guidance. The nature, season, duration, and all attending circumstances of all their trials, are—determined for them—selected by infinite wisdom—decreed by unalterable purpose—guided by eternal love, and brought to pass by almighty power. Will you believe this? So I just want to make clear that point again in this text. He 12:6b goes so far as to say, "[God] scourges every son whom he receives." The Jewish method of scourging, as described in the Mishnah, was by the use of 3 thongs of leather, the offender receiving 13 stripes on the bare breast and 13 on each shoulder (cf. When God gives him permission, Satan can use people and the forces of nature to accomplish his purposes. We can see clearly the reason of all this suffering. A very important part of the Christian life is to recognize that the Lord is dealing with us as sons and daughters and that He is teaching and training us through the various experiences and stresses He allows to come into our lives. 26:16; 50:4f; 53:5; Jer. His love for us will not let Him sit back and watch our lives be destroyed, so He intervenes with discipline. (Psalm 119:71-note), I know, O LORD, that Thy judgments are righteous, And that in faithfulness Thou hast afflicted me. In Heb 12:8, the word “discipline” appears again. Proverbs 10:17 He who heeds discipline (Lxx =, Psalm 94:12 Blessed is the man whom You chasten (Lxx =, God's discipline is evidence of His love for us (Hebrews 12:6), God's discipline assures us that we are His spiritual children, genuine members of His family (Hebrews 12:7-8), God's discipline enhances our spiritual life (Hebrews 12:9), God's discipline enables us to share His holiness (Hebrews 12:10). He would not take so much trouble over us if we were not dear to his heart. Receiving every prayer, Men persecute them because they are religious; God chastises them because they are not more so: men persecute them because they will not give up their profession; God chastises them because they have not lived up to their profession. As a son, he may be chastised on account of sin. Producing syrup of that quality is no easy task. (quoted in A Better Tomorrow, Consider the following testimony by Charles Haddon Spurgeon, "I am afraid that all the grace I have got out of my comfortable and easy times and happy hours might almost lie on a penny. Everyone does not receive the like measure of chastisement, and he that has the largest share of the love of God will feel the most of his chastising hand. Disciplines is not synonymous with punish (see Pink's comment below), since paideuo always implies an infliction which contemplates the subject’s amendment; and hence answers to chastise or chasten. We fail to recognise the hand of God in it; we do not accept it as indeed God's chastening, and lose all the teaching and the blessing it was meant to bring. Vine writes that in the present context paradechomai "here has the meaning of accepting by way of recognizing, and refers to God’s recognition of a person as His son. Hebrews 13:6. Times of affliction lead to heart-searchings, and we become increasingly aware of sins of which we had hardly thought at all. God is not coming to his children late after the attack, and saying, "I can make this turn for good." Even lost people have their share of trouble.” They’re right in that lost people do have trouble. I think the answer is that God will do whatever it takes. 42:11). NAS = discipline(5), training(1). Why the Father should take them from me. Hebrews 12:6 - The Greek word is a strong one, and means, “whom the Lord tenderly loveth —. A Greek boy was expected to "work out" in the gymnasium until he reached his maturity. So long as we look at the second causes, at men or things, as being the origin and source of our sorrows, we shall be filled alternately with burning indignation and hopeless grief. Oh, what an unveiling of the heart of God may be seen in a loving correction! For whom the Lord loveth He chasteneth, And scourgeth every son whom He receiveth. Some faint under it (Heb. So that their offspring might show them reverence (respect) and obey what they command. By faith. In a fallen world, inequity abounds. His wrong decision and subsequent sorrow can be a lesson for Christians. ", The passage from He 12:4-11 develops the true point of view Christians must have toward hardship and opposition. But oh, how much he suffers as he wields that scourge of small cords! And we shall neither wax weary nor faint. You know what I’m talking about. But his end could only be reached at the cost of untold sorrow, even unto death. To completely forget! As any father who loves his children does, our heavenly Father meets our needs, but He doesn’t stop there. That in His rebukes, however severe, in His corrections, however bitter, there is more love, more tenderness, and more real desire for our well-being, than exists in the fondest affection a human heart ever cherished. That is a big IF. 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